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F                                                                      CGM: What was your favorite APX
               red Thorlin was Director of
                                                                                   program?
               APX -- the Atari Program Ex-

               change -- from 1982 through
            1984. APX was -- and remains -- a                                      FT: I had a lot of favorites; so many of
            rare software distribution model in                                    them. I have not seen anything as
            which Atari would encourage end                                        good on the PC or Mac. The spectrum
                                                                                   of titles was so wide it is hard to say
            users to create software for their 8-
            bit computers, then sell the software                                  there was one favorite. Did I favor Algi-
            through a catalog and pay royalties                                    Calc over Getaway? They had nothing
                                                                                   in common and were each great. It is
            to the programmers.
                 APX programs were of high-                                        also a bit like picking my favorite child.
            quality, useful, and imaginative. The                                       Dog Daze was probably the most
                                                                                   fun, although I probably spent more
            APX catalog included many memo-
            rable games, including GetAway!,                                       time playing Getaway and Caverns of
            Galahad and the Holy Grail, and                                        Mars/ Phobos and more time staring at
                                                                                   HexaBug. I was awed by all of the
            Eastern Front: 1941. (Some titles,
            like Eastern Front, were so good that                                  Koons and Prag titles. There was a
            they were released as official Atari                                   bowling game that I was hooked on for
                                                                                   a while. It involved organizing numbers
            titles.) APX wasn't just about games,
            though. The catalog featured a wide                                    and operators to come up with a par-
            variety of applications, utilities, pro-                               ticular value.
                                                                                        I hold a special affection for Eastern
            grammers' tools, and software for
            kids. Some were definitely niche                                       Front and De Re Atari, both by Chris
            market programs -- like Fingerspel-                                    Crawford. They paid the bills (i.e. were
            ling (which taught simple sign lan-                                    our biggest sellers).
            guage), Personal Fitness Program   Classic Gamer Magazine: Was run-         There are several APX titles that
            (exercise along with your Atari), and   ning APX an office job within Atari?   disappointingly never migrated to the
            Circuit Lab (build and test DC electri-  Was it full-time or something you did on   PC. The quality of some of APX's titles
            cal circuits).                     the side?                           were, and remain, superior and re-
                 APX inspired average users to                                     markable. For example, I would like to
            get their applications out to their fel-  Fred Thorlin: It was a full time job.   see a PC version of Dog Daze and
                                               When I joined Atari my first task was to
                                                                                   Getaway! someday.
            low Atari users. You didn't have to
            be a professional programmer, and   set up a contract with Bill Gates to do a
            your program didn't need to be     Microsoft BASIC for the Atari. I had   CGM: Do you have any stories about
                                                                                   particularly weird or bad program sub-
                                               dealt with him previously when I was at
            mainstream enough to sell a million
            copies. Anyone who could write a   Texas Instruments. Software product   missions?
            useful program that met APX's qual-  acquisition and development was al-
                                               ways my task.
            ity standards could be a published                                     FT: If they were bad I would rarely get
            (and paid) programmer.                  At APX, my focus shifted from   to see them. There were up to six peo-
                 Of course, back in those days,   mainline products developed under   ple working in APX who I thought had
                                               contract, to user developed programs
                                                                                   the best jobs in the world. Their task
            the line between computer user and
            programmer was a lot thinner. Most   developed out of zeal. People would do   was to open the submissions and de-
            Atari users cut their teeth on BASIC   fantastic things just out of artistic drive,   cide who to publish, who to trash, and
                                                                                   who to encourage. Every day was
                                               e.g. Dandy, the Koons and Prag titles,
            the way people learn HTML today.
            But APX helped build the sense of   and Caverns of                                       Christmas.
            community that made owning an      Mars. It grew                                         Rarely would a
                                               from just Dale
                                                                                                     dog slip past
            Atari so special. And APX's quarterly
            prizes for the best programs -- usu-  Yocam pursuing                                     them. And
            ally $1000 to $3000, and once      development                                           those that did
            $25,000 -- which were awarded in   tools to a staff of                                   were quickly
            addition to royalties, certainly didn't   50-plus providing                              put out of their
            hurt the spirit of community software   over 100 titles to                               misery when
            development that APX hoped to fos-  retailers and end                                    we invited out-
            ter.                               users. If you only                                    siders in to
                                               worked full-time                                      judge our quar-
            This interview with Fred Thorlin was   you didn't fit in at                              terly contests.
                                                                                                          Dandy was
                                               APX. It was excit-
            conducted in April 2000.
                                               ing.                                                  interesting. The
                                                                                                   author, Jack
                                                                            Eastern Front
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