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but not one of the writers has ever   a more "evolved" vision of the future of   panies do things in the consumer's in-
           been invited to a discussion on, let's   the gaming industry rather than com-  terest.  It's natural that consumers al-
           say, ABC's Nightline.  Is there a need   peting hardware?               ways want more and companies priori-
           for more serious writers?                                               tize profits. A lot of people do not think
                                               DT:  Systems do often compete over   that the Tramiels spent enough money
           DT:  The writers are there, I think. I   software. There's a term for that type of   in marketing or any number of other
           don't think the media infrastructure   software. . ."system sellers." For Sega,   business areas. I've uniquely been in
           thinks that the mass                           it was Sonic, for Nin-   both positions:  an angry outsider want-
           market cares much. I'm   “I think very highly   tendo, it's Mario, and for   ing the company to do so much more,
           afraid they're right. That                     Playstation, it’s Crash   and a frustrated insider realizing that a
           is why I think the indus-  of all the Tramiels.   Bandicoot.            whole lot more was being done than
           try needs to band to-                                                   anyone realized.
           gether to create that    They were often       CGM:  Does a standard-
           thirst in the minds of the                     ized system seem at all   CGM:  In a recent article, you wrote
           masses.               unreasonable in my       possible?                some more details about the Tramiels.
                                  view, but if it were                             There aren't a lot of gamers who know
           CGM:  What would you                           DT:  The consumer bet-   much, if anything at all, about them.
           like to see done to help       not for the     ter hope not. They bene-  Tell us something about them.  Are
           promote the video game                         fit more from competition.   there any interesting stories you'd like
           image?                     Tramiels, Atari                              to share with us?
                                                          CGM:  Since we're bring-
           DT:  That's for the PR      wouldn't have      ing up all the big       DT:  For the sake of time, let me just
           people to analyze and    continued on for      names. . .you worked for   say that they are actually fine people
           propose.                                       the Grand-Daddy of all   and have souls like the rest of us. Jack
                                 more than a decade       video games: Atari.  How   built a business from a mindset that
           CGM:  3DO tried to                             long were you with Atari   was developed during the worst of war
           standardize the industry           more.”      and what was your posi-  times. His ideals were often ruthless
           with their system.                             tion?                    and he believed that people made their
           Would a standardized                                                    own destinies in the corporate world.
           video game system                              DT:  I was with Atari from   He believed that a better mousetrap
           unite the industry like it did with the   November 1989 through August 1996. I   would always capture the lens of the
           Video Cassette Recorder?            held many positions in the areas of di-  media and the hearts of consumers,
                                               rect fulfillment, customer service, and   but when the industries changed, he
           DT:  Not in my opinion. In the home   marketing.                        was wrong. Fortunately for him, he be-
           movie industry, there are VHS, Laser,                                   came rich when his ideals were more
           DVD, and some other obscure formats,   CGM:  Since you worked with the   accurately matched to the industry.
           which give the consumer options. The   Tramiel family for a long time, could
           gaming industry thrives better with   you tell us about them and your feel-  CGM:  As an insider, what was and
           competition. . .an effort of one platform   ings towards them?          what might have been accomplished by
           outdoing the other. It costs the con-                                   the Tramiels?
           sumer a little more if (s)he wants both/  DT:  I think very highly of all the
           all systems, but that's the price to be   Tramiels. They were often unreason-  DT:  The Tramiels gave life to Atari for
           paid for the privilege of choice.   able in my view, but if it were not for   more than a decade than it would have
                                               the Tramiels, Atari wouldn't have con-  had. Jack founded Commodore which
           CGM:  Would this same competition   tinued on for more than a decade    was also a monumental part of the
           that the industry thrives on be its Achil-  more.                       early days of home computing. The
           les' heel?  The one thing that'll keep                                  Tramiels, especially Jack, deserve a
           this industry from coming together for   CGM:  In an article you wrote about   great deal of honor as well as criticism.
           the good of it?                     your days at Atari, you described how
                                               Atari was losing a million dollars a day   CGM:  As an outsider, what could the
           DT:  The movie industry doesn't care   before the Tramiels took over.  I don't   Tramiels have done to keep Atari pros-
           what format you buy as long as you   think any of us can picture working in   pering?
           buy.  They'll publish in whatever format   an environment like that.
           consumers want.                                                         DT:  He should have started making
                                               DT:  Atari was losing a million dollars a   PC clones and publishing PC (MS-
           CGM:  If the video game industry    day in 1984. I did not join Atari until   licensed) software a very long time
           thrives on competition, yet has to be   1989. Having spoken to people who   ago. On the gaming side, he should
           more unified, doesn't that contradict   were there at the time, I understand   have left the hardware business and
           itself?                             there was a lot of waste and over-  reintroduced updated Atari classics on
                                               spending.                           the new game systems.
           DT:  Milk companies compete, but the
           Dairy Association wants to know if   CGM:  There seems to be a lot of bit-  CGM:   I'm not too familiar with Mr. Ted
           you’ve, "got Milk?" Flower shops com-  terness and resentment from Atari loy-  Hoff.  I am aware that he was President
           pete, but FTD reminds us to buy flow-  alists towards the Tramiel clan even   of Atari before the end and then went
           ers all year long. If the industry does   though at one point under the Tramiels'   on to Sega.  Tell us about him and your
           better, then everyone in it does better.   direction, the company grossed almost   days working with him.
                                               $500 million.   Why such hard feelings?
           CGM:  Would competing over better                                       DT:  He was unusually willing to listen
           software (with a hardware standard) be   DT:  Consumers rarely feel that com-  and to find ways to resolve issues us-
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